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October 8, 2014

afrikaans is not a white language

Filed under: afrikaaps — ABRAXAS @ 2:43 pm

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31 Responses to “afrikaans is not a white language”

  1. charmaine Says:

    This cannot be true. Afrikaans was born with the Khoi San and Europian/Dutch ppl. They could not understand each other. So tis language was born. Afrikaans sounds a lot like Dutch and then there’s also Khoi San words that are still used today. Like abba that means carry me. Gogga wich means insects, kooi /bed. This cannot be right.

  2. Tunino Haskell Says:

    Partly correct Charmaine but Afrikaans also has a lot of Bahasa Indonesian/Malay words in it. Pisang for example

  3. TeeJay Says:

    If you go to the mining areas of South Africa, you notice a certain language called Fanakalo…created by the miners themselves and understood by all…this language was conceived out of need to accommodate everyone. Same applies to Afrikaans, it’s very obvious that the Dutch speaking mingled well with the natives and other peoples, so well in fact that the Afrikaans language was born…a new proud people emerged…EENDRACHT MAAKT MACHT.

  4. S.Viddo.Ngcobondwana Says:

    What an interesting revelation.

  5. Reamohetsoe Says:

    Afrikaans is a mixture of languages but mainly Dutch. It is made up of Dutch, French, Portuguese, Malay and native languages of South Africa (Bathu/Bantu/Batu and Khoisan).

    Arabic language was formed before Islam by in Western Asia in the area now called Israel and Palestine by the Nabataeans from the name of one of the tribes, Nabatu.

    Most Languages in the world are influenced by Ancient African Civilizations and customs including writing. Egyptian script contains over 2000 similarities and meaning that matches African languages. Greek words and Gods have similarities with most African languages and the language used in ancient Mesopotamia also have same African similarities and meaning and this has been proved many time by great scholars like Cheikh Anta Diop.

    Everything i mentioned can be checked.

  6. Mubarak Ali Says:

    Why do the Dutch descendents then promote their Comingling (Afrikaans so called) at the expense of the blending indigenous languages, including even the so called Fanakalo? In actual fact, why not name the latter ‘Afrikaans’, as it contains more African dialects than do the Colonialist’s mishmash?

  7. Jack London Says:

    It is called Afrikaans because the people called themselves that after some generations rather than Dutch, the Dutch were in the Netherlands and the Afrikaners in South Africa, or as it was in those days, Kaap de goede Hoop, later British Cape and eastern Cape where the Afrikaners moved to, in those days they called themselves as a group, farmers, or ‘Boere’ according to their occupation, but the teachers and religious ministers moved along with them including other educated people and as a whole they eventually started to call themselves ‘die afrikaners’…so the name came first then the language. Fanakalo only existed from a century after that after Afrikaans already existed for awhile.

  8. andy Says:

    if afrikaans is derived from islam/muslims then why is it written from left to right,uses the alphabet common to english and no pictures?Afrikaans is “kitchen” dutch,or otherwise slang dutch.SHOULD get their history and facts correct,instead of trying to discredit a legimate language with unfounded presumptions!P.S.I speak english,czech ,german and afrikaans,and am proud to have had the oppertunity to learn it!

  9. Vadim Says:

    Kombuistaal was communication among the cape malays…but originally it came from Dutch language…for the Cape malays Holy Book Koran was first printed in Kairo by request of the Cape Malamas in Afrikaans but using the Arab alphabet…nothing incredible

  10. Salix Says:

    I strongly suggest you all go spend some time in Flemmish Belgium…

  11. Francois Says:

    Agree salix, Flemish in Belgium sounds EXACTLY like Afrikaans. Couldn’t believe it!

    Not sure about the Muslim origin, sounds very far fetched.. Influence sure, but the article seems very inaccurate, and based on bias more than anything else..

  12. Elsie Says:

    I suggest the writer of the article actually bother to read the genuine history of the Afrikaans language. Yes, it contains many Malay words, but also Khoi , Xhosa (from when the trekboere met the Xhosa in early 1800s at the Fish River) and various other dialects. The comments of salix, vadim, reamohetsoe and Charmaine all make valid comments.Why do people always want to try and rewrite history?

  13. Trevor Johnson Says:

    It is not that people want to rewrite history as you sayElsie, but that another view needs to be recorded. Afrikaans was developed in the Cape for ease of communication amongst the many nationalities that found themselves there. Dutch ,being the primary language of commerce obviously became the basis of this new tongue.
    The similarity to Belgian Flemish is possibly for the same reason.

  14. Mkie Says:

    This is a lot of nonsense just one of the muslims ways of trying to own. They tell a lot of lies as the quran says they must, I don’t believe one word of this.. Piesang julle is almal piesangs..

  15. Loopy Lex Says:

    A language is only recognised Internationally when it has written rules and validated structures to the use of the language. Afrikaans is the youngest language so recognised. Communication styles (often containing a misture of different languages and slang) are not recognised as a formal language. Cockney in London, England is an example of such a “language”. Afrikaans was structured by recognised academic institutions, submitted for international approval and accepted as an independant and self-sustaining Language.
    It had its beginnings in the Duutch / Flemish spoken in the Cape by the use of “kitchen dutch” that was used as a communication tool, often by Arabic orientated people. Note the lack of Arabic words in the langfuage. Also note the many other obscure ways of talking exist even today in the world that are not accepted as “proper” langauges. To the best of my knowlege Afrikaans was never touted as an exclusive “white” language and was available to people of all colours at all times.

  16. PJ van der walt Says:

    Well I have been to the Flemish part of Belgium and it doesn’t sound that different to Dutch but it did sound quite different to Afrikaans —- the explanation the Theory of this Article definitely have merit — I mean for the White Afrikaner or Dutch colonialist their pure Dutch is much likelier too have been influenced by the workers ( slaves ) way of speaking over 250 years of living together —- of course it all could have happened over the time when the colonialist’s got tired of their Motherland’s demands ( tax ect ) and it became fashionable to speak not high Dutch to start speaking their slaves already existing language ! In all probability the Muslim’s , Khoi San , Xhosa’s and the white settlers all had a hand in making this language !!!

  17. waahid Says:

    Most of you are just too ignorant to accept whites in south Adria (the boer) don’t really have much. They tried to steal our food and say they invented it (babootie kosisters blatjang) then the language formalised a Muslim shekh abubaker effendi.

  18. Matthew Says:

    I grew up in Pretoria bilingual speaking English and Afrikaans, I went to English school for grades 1 and 2, thereafter Afrikaans skool from grade 3 through 6 , returning to english school in grade 7 to complete my education.

    I moved to Amsterdam 6 years ago and now speak fluent Dutch. The parallels are obvious to me. About 90% of Afrikaans words come from Dutch. In a way, this made me feel less special as an Afrikaans speaker because it is entirely understandable to the Dutch. It isn’t as far removed as we would wish. (the flemish accent indeed is closer to Afrikaans in terms of vowel pronounciation) Therefore, I am excited by the notion of a broader mix contributing to the genesis of Afrikaans and welcome a muslim/arabic contribution. In fact, I later came to understand that the derogatory word ‘kafir’ is an Arabic word meaning ‘non-believer’. I always wondered how that found its way into the language. This article has clarified that for me. However, the title “Afrikaans: not a white language”… why such a title? Of all the ways you can introduce such a wonderful ‘revelation’, why does it have to be by way of negation? As for the arabic writings, that does not go to explain the creation of the language. You can phenetically write any language in a different alphabet. Arabic, when phonetically written in English uses numbers 1- 9 to denote sounds that arent avalable in the Roman Alphabet. That doesn’t mean the romans ‘invented’ arabic. Eitherway, this news makes me super happy! Lets all get our Creol on, be happy for the beauty which is this nation!

  19. Patrick Says:

    1 I have actually seen some of these documents. they are kept in the museum in Upper Wale St Bo Kaap.

    2 Most of the early settlers came from Flanders. This explains why Afrikaans is so similar to Flemish. In the 1600’S the Netherlands was a very wealthy country and people were reluctant to leave the comforts of home for the wild, dangerous and uncomfortable life in the colonies. Later on this changed but by then the Flemish influence had taken root. Along the way the developing language absorbed much from other languages.

  20. Andre Says:

    So the word kafir originally stems’ from Arabic, which means non-believer. So blame it on the Muslims, and not on Jan.

  21. Warda Says:

    Well done Patrick. .will definitely go and do some history research. .

  22. lekkermanlekker Says:

    Jesus spoke afrikaans 1st. Read your bible

  23. JyPraatKak Says:

    Revisionist history at it’s best. Creole Dutch was a slave dialect, and it was first written in Arabic script. Afrikaans (as a language, not a dialect or creole) is a white Afrikaner language. It is the youngest language in the world. Established as a language after the Boer’ War. Afrikaans is white (Afrikaner) language. Creole Dutch is a non-white language.

  24. Jax Says:

    Does this really matter? The ultimate aim of any language is to communicate so that people can understand each other. If there is no understanding the language is useless. All this racist crap needs to stop

  25. Riaan Says:

    Maak dit regtig saak of Afrikaans ‘n wit of Malay agtergrond het. Genootskap van regte Afrikaners het in die Paarl die taal formeel gemaak. Dit is hoekom dit na “wit Afrikaner / Boere Taal” verwys word Dit maak nie afbreek van die verskillende groepe wat daartoe bygedara het nie.
    Dit is ‘n lekker taal vir alamal om te geniet.

    Knock yourselves out. Enjoy!!!! die Taal

  26. Yusuf De Kock Says:

    Im a so called cape malay and have always wondered why the Afrikaans that i speak as my mother tongue sounds so vastly different from the more formal Afrikaans that i was taught at school under the Bantu Education Act. This formal form of the Afrikaans language we were taught in most certainly had its roots in the Dutch language ,but still had little in common with the my home language Afrikaans. We were taught that the way we spoke the language was improper and uncivilized , a bastardized version of the the “purer form of the language with European roots” Now this article puts things in perspective and actually sheds new light on this whole subject. We the muslims of the cape are not only the source of where this language originated from but we are also the ones that bring it to life ,adding colour to it (no pun intended) and in the end preserving it in its truest form.Cos lets face its the afrikaans that we were taught at school is boring and bland and just plain BLEH! and in this day and age nobody really speaks like that. And yes im proud to say it …..Afrikaans is MY taal! RAAK WYS!

  27. richard Says:

    The name says it all Afrika-ans…the boer have never claimed this exclusively as theirs….

  28. Pieter Haasbroek Says:

    Belangriker as die vraag wie eerste Afrikaans gepraat het, is die vraag: wie het die meeste bygedra om dit te vestig as ‘n modern kommunikasiemedium?

    Hierna sal ons seker vra wie in die stryd om die voortbestaan van Afrikaans gaan wen?

  29. Dj Says:

    WOW dog ons leef in die nuwe Suid Afrika :)
    Ook nie gedink n taal kom in veskillende kleure nie :)
    Dalk moet julle bietjie die Afrikaanse Taal Monument in Paarl gaan besoek en die korekte inligting kry…
    Leef en laat leef – wat maak dit op die eiende van die dag saak???
    N groot deel van ons ou volkie praat almal Afikaans – bruin, swart en wit….

  30. Derek Says:

    In the Cape à different Afrikaans dialect is spoken to that of other provinces because of the Khoi San influence. Like my name can be spelt Derek,Derrick or Deriek. But it still means th . Same “Leader of men”

  31. Ridwaan Says:

    I immigrated to Australia in 1979. I spoke “kombuis” Afrikaans but disliked the language because it was the language of Apartheid which the minority oppressors were trying to force on the majority. However,in Sydney while driving home from work everyday, I use to listen to a Dutch radio station and I could understand most of what was being said. Now that Apartheid is truely dead and buried, I no longer dislike the language. In fact, we expats still converse in our “kombuis” Afrikaans when we gather. Strange thing though, our children can understand the language but cannot speak it.