
untitled, watercolour, 1994 - lefifi tladi
Lefifi Tladi: Our spears are immersed in blood we are on the war path of blood river,
the distance is long the distance is strenuous but our courage is thriced
for the jet planes fly over Umgungundlovu.
We are the elephant we move the way of no return.
DJ Rude Boy Paul: A gentleman by the name of Lefifi Tladi will be joining us on the other side of the news bulletin, a world renowned artist and poet who has been in exile for over thirty years so he definitely has a story to tell ..
Lefifi Tladi: No actually, Lefifi means darkness but not the darkness you’ll find in cupboards and things like that, like the darkness after sunset, and then Tladi means lightning.
Kgafela oa Magogodi: You Know Lefifi as you may know came out of what we call the black consciousness tradition, came out of the seventies ,went to exile I think in 1976.
DJ Rude Boy Paul: That’s almost thirty years out there.
Kgafela oa Magogodi: Yes he has been based in Sweden I think for thirty, since 1980.
Lefifi Tladi: Twenty-four years.
Kgafela oa Magogodi: Oh yes so that for me, it’s great to be here with him and you know and share him with the Y generation, He’s from the Toyi Toyi generation.
Lefifi Tladi: We didn’t know much about ourselves and instead of looking to others, to Europe, then I was collecting a lot of material of contemporary African artists and then from there we had few exhibitions all over the place and from 1980 I got a scholarship to study in Sweden, to 86.
DJ Rude Boy Paul: What did you study exactly?
Lefifi Tladi: Art history, but it’s a wrong name actually, its European art history because there are no Africans in those books of theirs. (laughter)
Lefifi Tladi: But I think its unfortunate it’s a very sad period for me today because the day before yesterday my guru Geoff Mphakati passed away… so that is the thing that has put my energy levels at quite a low level, because he’s a guy who actually uplifted our consciousness as artists….he made us understand the meaning of being of an artist because we have this simple kind of negative tradition of if a child is dull witted let him go into the arts…
Geoff Mphakati: Lefifi and company, but mostly Lefifi, is what my wife calls my instant children. Lefifi was dumped on my lap by his uncle after he was kicked out of school because they thought he was dumb, they said he was stupid. So I took him on and started piling book after book on him, he lapped them up like nobody’s business. Right now the mentor is like the student and the student is like the mentor.
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Geoff Mphakati: I think one of the most crucial issues, now this I’m directing at artists, whether they be poets, dancers, visual artists you know, all of the art forms, literary arts. It boils down to one thing - freedom means money. In other words artists create for an elitist group. Artists have never been able to address themselves from a socio- economic and a political perspective because if they had artists wouldn’t be in the limbo they caught up in right now. It’s who do I sell my work to next, to get a couple of dimes.